Having just watched the screening of Super Troopers 2 the night before, I had a really fun time when a very small group of us press members sat down with most of Broken Lizard, the men behind the hilarious film franchise, the next afternoon for a bull session.
I could have talked to them all day but was, unfortunately, given a time limit. I spoke to Jay Chandrasekhar, the member of the five-man comedy troupe who directs the films, the night before, but only slightly as I hadnโt realized in time that he wasnโt going to be joining in on the interview or I would have brought my recorder to get a quote or two for this piece. Luckily for us, the four who were there, Erik Stolhanske, Steve Lemme, Paul Soter and Kevin Heffernan were chatty enough and quite entertaining, as was their film.
In fact, I was nervous for them as I went into the screening because often times films suffer from the sophomore jinx, but โSuper Troopers 2โ is not one of them. They were happy to hear that I felt that way about their efforts as they were worried, themselves.
Read on because they also hint of a โpart threeโ which sounds intriguing. I say, โGo for it!โ Why stop now? But they made us wait long enough for this filmโฆ they need to get moving already, right?!ย I digress.
Interestingly enough, the most serious of the bunch was Kevin, known to most as the frustrating but cuddly โFarva.โ He had a more contemplative tone and seemed to analyze the questions more before forming his responses, which, here and the night before at the screening, seemed to be direct and to the point rather than trying to fit some mold a person may have expected from him.
Steve (Mac) is the more playful in the group. The class clown, so to speak. They all fit that description, in a way, but he seems to always be on. When not speaking, heโs waiting to speak, however, does give the speaker his ear. Heโs genuine and warm and a pleasure to get to know.
Erik (Rabbit) is the quiet one but heโs not shy. Heโs very sweet. Respectful. You can tell when talking to him that he was reserved as a youngster. Heโs the one who politely waits his turn to speak and sometimes gets skipped. No member is rude toward the other, donโt mistake what Iโm about to say, but like brothers often do, they jump on top of one another, metaphorically speaking, in certain situations which can turn into a free-for-all. If it does, someone gets left at the bottom. Erik may sometimes take a place at or near the bottom but seems comfortable there. What I mean is, if you watch him, his wheels are always turning. When itโs his turn to work or speak, heโll burst from the pile and you better watch out. Donโt get in his way. This is all conjecture, by the wayโฆ just an observance.
Paul (Foster) is a little of all these characteristics rolled into one. Heโs studious and insightful and he respects the audience, as they all do. They share a mutual appreciation for their fans and are aware theyโd be nowhere without them. Knowing this, theyโre very approachable and grateful.
Broken Lizard. A brotherhood has been created here and it was fun to witness it come to life. They finish each otherโs thoughts and are hip to where the other is going with a point, cognizant of where each one stands on a subject. Thereโs a comradery, a reverence and admiration between them, that Iโd say will never break.
Kevin starts by talking about the film.
Kevin:ย There was a lot of pressure about whether people were going to like this movie or not. Because thereโs so many fans of the first one that they donโt want you to screw it up. Inevitably the concern that they raise to you, even in those groups, you know, itโs like, โI was so afraid it was going to suck!โ My wife said the same thing.
Paul: Our fans have never been shy about saying what they feel because you get people every day, like, โYeah! Loved โSuper Troopers!โ โClub Dreadโ sucked.โ Or โI loved โBeerfestโ but โThe Slamminโ Salmonโ sucked.โ So, we know people. Thatโs actually good. Thatโs helpful to see. Whatโs working and what people like. I think itโs nice; the response. Weโve shown the movie a few of times, especially to the Indigogo backers, people are so positive. I really believe theyโre satisfied.
Question: Do you think thatโs because they have a stake in your game?
Kevin:ย Maybe. I think itโs more of a wedding toast kind of situation, like, they want you to succeed. Theyโre on your side. Youโre like family, right? So, you can go up there and, hopefully, not screw it up.
Steve:ย Kevinโs right. You feel a sense of release. I mean, from us, too. We just didnโt want to suck and thankfully it doesnโt. A lot of people are saying itโs as good as the first one, maybe better, soโฆ
Paul:ย Yeah and certainly, we spent a lot of time on both scripts, but I think that what I like here is we spent more time thinking about what makes a good story or what makes a good movie so, you look at the first one and weโll admit that itโs really, sort of, an excuse for set pieces after set pieces but we really wanted this to be something with an interesting story and you wanted to know how it ends and a cool hook about this chunk of Canada and, you know, I think weโve โplus uppedโ just the story telling of it.
Erik:ย Letโs face it. We made a great movie.
They all laugh and talk over each other having a great time, most likely, remembering moments of making this film as they smiled with congratulatory grins. All earned.
Then Paul jumps in with a worried face.
Paul:ย He just jinxed the shit out of us.
Question: When writing, what type of research did you do, in terms of Canada? I know that Bruce McCulloch (Kids in the Hall) was on set but, myself, Iโd watch โStrange Brewโ or โKids in the Hallโ or something like that, but did you pull from your past or do research orโ
Erik:ย Yeah. I lived up there for about ten years.
Kevin:ย We had a lot of interaction. There were times when weโd go up there and, you know, have fun.
Erik:ย And for Touring and stand-up.
Kevin:ย There were times when weโd go to Montreal for the Just for Laughs Festival and youโd be in that area and there wereโฆ funny elements of it. Thereโs a lot of French Canadians who donโt want to speak English to you. There were a lot who were kind of gruff when itโs normally the Canadians who you think are nice people but theyโ so it was kind of a cool area; thought it would be fun to have some fun with it.
Steve:ย Plus, weโre neighbors and we know nothing about each other, truthfully, you know? We were in Calgary and we met a Canadian person who was saying some untruths about Americans and weโre like, do you know anything about the United States? How many states do we have? And heโs like, โI donโt know forty-eight?โ And weโre like, โHoly shit! Thatโs a ridiculous answer.โ And heโs like, โWell, how many provinces are in Canada?โ And weโre like, โI donโt know.โ
Erik:ย Whatโs a province? ย
Paul:ย Forty-Eight? Seventy? That, to me, is why we left every joke in the movie is because, at the end, it looks like weโre all friends again and then Linda Carter basically says, โNo. Itโs going to be status quo again.โ And we immediately turn on each other. And that โBurn down your White House, again!โ and โWhat the hell are you talking about?!โ โThe war of 1812. Learn your history.โ Thatโs my favorite joke because it is like, we didnโt even know our own history.
Kevin:ย We were in Calgary and someone, one of the Canadians, was telling us this whole story about how they burned down the White House and we were like, โWhat?! We donโt remember it that way!โ
Steve:ย I had never heard that before. We were like, โThe war of 1812 you burned down the White House? That doesnโt even sound familiar.โ We looked it up on Wikipedia. โNo, actually, the Brits were renting YOUR land and THEY burnt down the White House in the war of 1812.โ But the Canadians were like, โNo. We did it.โ Weโll let them have that one. Weโll give it to them. Itโs fun.
Erik:ย Sure.
Steve:ย We also didnโt realize they didnโt become a real independent nation until 1983.
Paul:ย The more you dig around, itโs just funโฆ just funny stuff; the real history.
Steve:ย But we donโt just take the piss out of them, you know? If you watch the movie, weโre the ones who come over the border and weโre making fun of them. Weโre the ugly Americans. And then it gets flipped immediately and weโre kind of the bad guys.
Kevin:ย We cast Canadians in those lead roles, Will Sasso and Tyler Labine, Emmanuelle Chriqui; theyโre all Canadian and we kind of brought that whole thing to the table.
Erik:ย And theyโre all from different parts. Willโs from Vancouver, Tylerโs from Ontario and Emmanuelleโs from Montrealโฆ itโs such a wide range.
Steve:ย And our philosophy with Broken Lizard, comedyย wise, is never to beย mean-spirited and never to pick on anybody. Weโre joking about how silly Canada is but the point was that we were setting ourselves up intentionally to have these guys smear us all over the place. Thatโs the thing about Canadians. They donโt take themselves too seriously.
Erik:ย I showed some clips up in Toronto a couple of weeks ago and they were very excited.
Question: Jay isnโt here right now so this is your chance to tell us about him.
Steve:ย Our chance to bash him? Terrible director. Terrible actor.
Question: Cโmon. Give me something juicy.
They laugh.
Paul:ย He sleeps with his eyes open and snores really loudly.
Steve:ย Itโs freaky as hell.
Paul:ย Days where we would share a hotel room and sometimes even share a bed with the guy, like, youโd wake up and heโd be staring at you and heโs snoring.
One of the four makes a snoring sound.
Erik:ย I wonder if heโs human.
Paul:ย And heโs deaf in one ear.
Kevin:ย It was also fun to have him direct this movie becauseโฆ since the first Super Troopers movie, heโs directed 100 episodes ofย TVย so he does have a different rhythm now than he did then and it was kinda cool to see how he did things a little bit differently. It was more about pacing and having efficient coverage. So, he definitely learned, you know?
Steve:ย This is my impression of Jay Chandrasekhar,ย (deepens his voice; speaks slowly)ย โUhโฆ speak faster.โย (They laugh)
Paul:ย But I feel for him because he has to direct and act, which, I donโt think about how hard it is until I watch him. You can see heโs acting but his wheels are turning as a director and you have to snap him out of it. Brian Cox did that a couple of times, which is the great thing about having someone like Brian Cox on set sometimes. He wants to make sure you have your shit together as a director but as an actor too, so it makes you up your game.
Steve:ย And Brian Cox, naturally, when the sun starts going down, he starts to get a little crusty. He certainly doesnโt have time for any tomfoolery.
(Laughing, Crosstalk)
Steve:ย Cuz when the sun goes down, we start to become a bunch of monkeyโs.
Erik:ย In Trooper, we worked him too hard. We worked him overnight.
Paul:ย Heโs awesome. His eyeball exploded ยพโs of the way through the shoot. What happenedย withย him? A blood vessel burstโ
Kevin:ย He burst a blood vessel in his eye so, as a matter of continuity, we had to go in and digitally remove the red from his eye for certain scenes, otherwise, in hisย closeupย you would have seen that his eyesย wasย allโ
Erik:ย Terrifying.
Steve:ย If you know which scenes the blood vessel burst for, which we do, now I can only focus on the white of his eye and itโs brighter than it normally should be.
Kevin:ย We wonโt give those secrets away. You can see it on the DVD.
Erik:ย I mean, Iโve seen it. Iโve seen Steve reacting to it.
Eric suddenly looks horrified and alarmed. The room bursts into laughter at the memory.
Erik:ย That bloody eyeball was right there. Makes you jump.
Steve:ย A bloody eyeball is a terrifying thing.
Paul:ย He has a malevolent presence at times. Heโs a jovial guy and he loves doing these things with us but when he turns to you with a big bloody eyeโฆitโs the stuff of nightmares.
Question: I enjoyed the hell out of the movie. You guys donโt take yourselves seriously and youโre very passionate about what you do and it comes through in spades but youโre never rude about it like, we know you make fun of the Canadians but you donโt blame the Canadiansโ right?
All:ย Right.
Question: Your passion shows through. So, what influences you, beyond the sequel, what influences you as actors to want to continue these characters?
Kevin and Steve argue over whoโs going to answer the question first.
Kevin:ย A lot of this is based on us being friends. And itโs onโฆ the philosophy is, โHey, weโre gonna create this world and you can come and hang out in our world with us and be happy and be comfortable in this world because weโre having a good time; youโre having a good time.โ And so, I think that influences us to want to do these worlds in this way, you know?
Steve:ย Thatโs what I was gonna say. And we have drafts of things where the guys are bickering with each other or arguing, and we look at it, โNoโฆ no. We donโt want it to be that way.โ These guys are just joking around and having fun with each other and thereโs the one asshole that everybody has in their workplace thatโs gonna come in and ruin everybodyโs good time and thatโs this guy (gestures to Kevin) and so any obnoxious line that isnโt pc or not what we want someone to say, we just pop them into his mouth and we can get away with it.
Kevin:ย But you still like me.
Steve:ย But we still like you.
Erik:ย Youโre lovable.
Kevin:ย Thank you.
Paul:ย The guy you love to hate.
Steve:ย And now we have a French-Canadian version of Farva, tooย (Paul Walter Hauser).
Question: From โI, Tonya,โ right?
Kevin:ย From โI, Tonya.โ Whatโs a great story is that I had done a comedy show with him, a live showโฆ I had met him. And so, weโre trying to cast a Canadian Farva and I was like, โThis guy I met; heโs fantastic. Letโs have him come in.โ So, we sent him to the casting director to go on tape for our movie and so we did our movie and they were casting for โI, Tonyaโ and it was the same casting director and she was like, โIโm gonna call that guy in again cuz he was so great.โ And she called him in for, โI Tonya,โ and he got the part because he did โSuper Troopers,โ which we were so excited for him about. And now the guyโs taking off. Heโs in Spike Leeโs new movie (BlacKkKlansman). Heโs done a bunch of stuff since.
Paul:ย Itโs like weโre going around launching everybodyโs career except our own.
Kevin:ย Itโs good. Itโs exciting.
Question: So, โRabbitโ gets a love interest!?
Erik:ย Yeah! Iโm tired of being shaving creamed!
Paul:ย Thatโs the last thing I want to do, is do the love stuff. Go and make-out and be mushy and have to do real acting? But, as silly as our movies get, you still have to have that scene. You still have to have that.
Question: Is there a girl out there for Farva?
Kevin:ย I donโt know. We talked about that. Maybe in โSuper Troopers 3,โ we talked about maybe Farva finally finds his love. Maybe. But for now, I locked lips with Lemme in the movie, soโฆ yeahโฆ Iโll stay with Mac. Farva and Mac having a moment.
Steve:ย Pretty romantic stuff.
Kevin:ย Why not do it with the guy you know.
Paul:ย Thereโs no mushiness here.
Steve:ย That would be a great thing. In โSuper Troopers 3,โย (gestures to Kevin)ย if Mac says, โI need to talk to you for a second. I canโt stop thinking about you.โ
They laugh.
Question: Tell me about the writing process. How do you bring it all together?
Paul:ย Itโs like this. Itโs us around a table and thereโs sort of these stages of just general ideation. Obviously, the world had already been built so that was good but generally speaking, we ask, โWhere do we want to go with this?โ You, sort of, refine with each phase of starting, โOkay. Letโs go with thatโฆ letโs beat it out, how would something like that work?โ And with every phase, youโre almost always just throwing out bits or set pieces or comedy that you keep off to the side and you kind of build the structure of the storytelling. Itโs just about populating as much comedy as you can.
Steve:ย Yeah. โLonnie Laloush,โ the Canadian Farva, is a great example of that cuz thatโs something where he just existed as dialogue. Down theย roadย we thought, โWe should probably see this guy.โ So, we wrote him into one scene but then we loved his audition tape so much we were, like, โGod. We gotta see this guy a bunch and American Farva and Canadian Farva should meet up with each other at some point soโฆ you just keep rolling it out and with each new draft, you have three, five, ten more jokes. It just makes the script better.
Question: Does anyone ever get their feelings hurt?
Kevin:ย Yeah. It definitely happens.
Erik:ย Iโd say it happens.
Paul:ย Not over a joke butโฆ
Kevin:ย Weโre passionate.
Paul:ย We are passionate but itโs not necessarily a โThis is funny.โ โNo, itโs not.โ โYes, it is.โ โNo itโs not!โ The fights seem to be more, โIs it, at all, realistic?โ It tends to be more tonal stuff like, โThatโs too broad, like a Zucker Brotherโs joke. Itโs funny but I donโt know if it exists in that world.โ Then the guys tend to roll up their sleeves.
Erik:ย Sometimes itโs like โSurvivorโ where you have to form an alliance. Like, if you have a joke youโre trying, you have to get three out of five people on your side to get the joke approved.ย (Kevin laughs)ย So, often times, youโre trying to form alliances. Sometimes you even have to act it out. If you catch my joke but someone else isnโt seeing it, you have to get on your feet and sell it.
Paul:ย But then you can also sabotage a joke by reading it in a shitty voice.ย (Mocks a bad reading of a joke.)ย โWell, when you read it like that, asshole, of course itโs not funny!โ
Erik:ย Right.
Paul:ย Thatโs the best way to sabotage.
Steve:ย But thatโs the problem, too. When you get inย these creative disputes, after the first round of, โHey. I donโt know if thisโllwork.โ It becomes, you just want to win a fight! And so now you got guys who have their heels dug in and thereโre just going toe to toe. And three guys will just sit back and watch it. Like, weโll smirk at each other while these other two guys are just butting heads.
Paul:ย And when youโre one of those combatants and you want support from the other guys, youโll always get shot down because thereโs nothing more fun than when youโre one of those guys watching two guys fight. And you donโt want to get involved. You just wanna sit back and eat popcorn and watch it. But itโs also maddening when youโre like, โCome on! Help me out here!โ And the other guyโs like, โYou guys figure it out.โ
Erik:ย Youโre doing great. Hang in there.
Question: Kevin, you have a law degree.
Kevin:ย I do.
Question: You passed the bar in two states.
Kevin:ย I did. In two states. Yeah.
Question: If you became a lawyer and didnโt do this, looking and watching these guys, how would you feel about them?
Kevin:ย Iโd feel they need a Farva, these guys!
Erik:ย Everybody needs a Farva.
Question: Any other careers anyone else were considering, instead of doing this? Your passion?
Steve:ย I donโt know what else I would do.
(Laughter)
Erik:ย I donโt think weโre qualified for anything else.
Paul:ย I had a desk job for, like, one month.
Kevin:ย You guys could come work for me at the law firm if you want. Come make some copies for me. Do some research for me.
Paul:ย Thatโs good to know.
I believe he would. I hope you liked this interview. I know youโll like the movie.
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